Debug Journal: Ugluk

So I had just completed the Harvest of Halflings Quest, grabbed the Entwoods quest and headed out to the outpost (of which I had the quest...)

Upon entering the outpost, I see a message that says some thing doesn't seem right... no Wheezler.

I return to AF to talk to the Man at Arms again, and he tells me to see the Mayor, he may have a quest for me later.

I had already completed everything in AF with the exception of the Outpost and it's related quests...

I log out and log back in... All quests (completed and uncompleted) are gone. My entire journal wiped... no DEBUG DEBUG journal entry...

I reset my jounals and get the DEBUG DEBUG "quest"....

Part 2-

So today I logged in and started redoing all the quests... I did everything in Arbor Falls with no problems, moved on the Stumpett grove and did all those.. no problem, moved to Fellhurst, did the in city ones (docks and Felhurst), no problems.. started to head out to the VoC and picked up the Witches on the way.. completed the Gem and Traderoutes, turned those in and headed out to the Witches... got to the witches and started that one... halfway through I crashed... now when I log back in almost all quests are gone.

The only two left are in the complete tab.. Traderoutes and the Crimson Gem... everything else is gone, including the Witches quest I had started... No Debug journal entry...

p.s. Same toon- Ugluk

well looking into database, sure enough you only have two set for that toon....Hmmm.

well we know its not scripts then (otherwise youw ould have gotten the extra one added-Debug)

so it must be the transfer...
I am going to (tonight) remove all SQLwrites until reload and see if that fixes it.

thanks for the detailed info shj, it really helps me track this down.

No worries... anything I can do to help track this down as it doesn't seem to happen at the same time, on the same quest, etc.

I'm starting to memorize which quests give the higher amounts of XP though...

I updated the MOD last night (but forgot to post the info on the mod sign so it will still show the last updates news)


But I removed all rrecurring read/writes and ONLY have it now on Log in it Reads, on lOg out if writes.

lets see if thats it..lemme know as soon as this issue happens again..

I tried a toon of mine several times last night and it worked fully 100% but again, lets keep a close eye on this one.

sounds good. I'll keep an eye out and let you know what i find out. I'll try several of my different toons and see if I can detect a trend...

Thanks

Update 10/4/11:

so far so good.. completed all quests in AF including the Outpost and lost none. Returning to Stumpett Grove to pick those up tomorrow night.

New bug / broken quest though... I did not escort Wheezler back when meeting him outside the outpost, but told him to Butch Up and he gave me his key. I cleared the outpost and returned for me well deserved reward. Upon talking to the Man at Arms, we discovered that Wheezler had not reported back. I offered to find him and received " The Missing Messenger " quest. I was given my reward for clearing the outpost and upon my trip back to Stumpett Grove, discovered his body. I picked his corpse up and returned it the AF for a proper burial, but no one (Man at Arms or the Mayor) wants his corpse. It is now in my backpack, drawing flies and carrion birds until I can find who to present the corpse to.

The only good Wheezler is a dead Wheezler stuffed in to a knapsack.

I think I remember hearing that one from jaybonz awhile back and never got around to checking up on it, of course his was word of mouth and I can tell ya, I have alot on my mind so if you simply tell me something without it documented...lol..its gone from emory withing hours.

will check into that, made another update last night with fixing the Dragon Shout so that should now be squared away for good.

and I enjoy weezler jerky from time to time..just set him out in the sun for a few hours each day.

10/5

I also tested a few times with Hrogribo and was met with happy success, relogged 4 times and nothing changed in my journals (good thing)..
lets just keep this going with success and fail stories for journals so we can have a history to track if it happens not to be the magic fix we(I) am hoping for.

also fixed the weezler bug, happened to just be a misplaced node. Should work for you now shj and will be in an update tonight if you care to test it out.

Sweet !! Thanks much !! I'll be testing it out tonight.. just let me know when the up date and I'll log out and back in...

p.s. If you can read Ugluk's personal journal, I'm tracking what I do and what order I did it in as the personal part doesn't get wiped.

personal journals are stored on your pc. look in your local vault folder for the text file named after your character. you could email that to LoW or copy paste it into a book or parchment....

Sooo...

I hate to say this, but Elros now has been hit by the vanishing Quest bug, I believe. I had logged in with Elros and finished the outpost quest, which was the last of the quests on that side of the world. I then went to Fellhurst and started collecting quests...

Ripper first, then returned the book. Headed to the Docks and snatched the wine back, and rescued the kid. I then stopped some giants from throwing rocks at a house, turned in the quest to Harry and then went to see the Baron, who asked me to stop some bandits. From there I stopped by the temple and grabbed the gem quest and off to the VoC I went... stopping to grab the witches quest (to do later.) I went to VoC and got the gem , then cleared out the bandits. I returned to Fellhurst via the portal and turned in the gem , then the bandit head. Off to the docks to talk to Harry and ... he wants me to stop giants from throwing boulders again. This quest is already in my completed tab and I already received the XP for it.

At this point I did not accept the quest, and exported my toon. I then talked to Harry and he once again asked me to stop the Giants. I said I would. No quest update (as it's already in my completed tab) and after accepting he won't give me the next quest. I did not get a new DEBUG DEBUG entry (already had one from a previous wipe I did.. don't recall why I had it. maybe a previous quest loss and I started from scratch after the debug addition...)

I then logged out and haven't logged back in yet. But in the past when the option comes up again for a quest I have already completed, that means quest wipe. I will email / send you my exported toon file for you to compare if you would like me to.

yes please if you could, send it to the upload folder.

I *think* I may have found *something* about it..

when this all started happening it was shortly after a request that some quests were not working for multiplay so I changed the include to a function PartyWide include.

my gues is it is something with that.
I am going to be changing that tonight. Also because of this theory I have, it would only wipe on SinglePlayer play. so do any of you ever recall this happening when *in* a party? or does it only seem to happen on singleplayer?

also one very important peice of info I need.

Your IN game when this happens (journal gets wiped?) so the scenario is

Your doing your thing getting your journal updates, then all of a sudden your missing them?
all while never having logged out and back in? meaning the same session this is happening?


or is this ONLY when logging in again do your journals appear wiped?


or is it your journals are there while playing but going to do a quest where your journal states your finished x quest but upon speaking to x guy, it appears thet the journal *isnt* reallty there?

hmmm.. lets see... option 3 ...

Last night, Nonus and I, we partied up but were not adventuring together. He was trying to survive ember and I was in Fellhurst doing quests.
I don't know what quests he had already completed, but his journal should have updated when mine did for ones he had not completed. Don't know if he lost his quests, but any I completed should be in his journal as well...

So progression of my questing in Fellhurst...

1. Obtained and completed all 3 minor quests... late book, elderberry and, and missing kid. Obtained and completed The Ripper.
2. Spoke with Harry and obtained the Giant of a task quest. (Nonus and I partied up I believe at this point... several others logged out.) Completed it and spoke to harry for the reward.
3. Spoke to the baron and got the Caravan Traderoute quest, then stopped in the Church of Myrkul and obtained the Crimson Gem quest.
4. Headed out to the VoC via land and stopped by the gypsy to get the Witches quest. Did not do the Witches, but went straight for the VoC.
5. Obtained the crimson gem, next headed to the Bandit caves and proceeded all the way down and killed the bandit.
6. Returned to Fellhurst via a scoll of town portal.
7. Went to the temple and completed the gem, then went to see the baron and completed the Caravan quest.

My journal (up to this point) had been up-dating with the "ding" and the flashing notification with no problems. I did not see any huge lag, or a delay at all. No indication whatsoever that there was an issue.

8. Go back to speak to Harry to get the Bump quest and he tells me he has a problem with with giants throwing boulders... the convo for the Giant of a Task quest. I refuse to do this and look at my journal entry... In the completed tab is the quest Giant of a Task. plus all other completed quests I had done.

All that is in my new quest tab is the Witches Coven, nothing else.

I speak to Harry.. he again offers me the Giant quest and this time I accept... However, there is no "ding" and no journal update, it stil shows in my completed tab. I log out and report the issue... have not logged in since.

I hope that helps some... at no pint did I suddenly loose any journal entries, but when this has happened in the past, this was the indicator... a completed quest being offered again.

bic file and text file for Elros up loaded.

this is actually helping alot. I am noticing a trend with the Valley of Caves/Bump in the Night deal, and to be honest I have had other varying bug reports (idepaine not showing sometimes in his cell)

looking into it, it seems i was smoking crack

the logic is confusing and since its something i wrote myself..lol
anyways, i am rearranging and adding a few check scripts.
might take me awhile on this one though..lol

No worries on my end... glad my info helps.. I always feel I'm writing too much or sounding like I'm whining, but then I'm a player and not a builder. More info for bug hunting is better, right?

I'll keep an eye out If I spot any other weird quest related things...

awwww no way dude, dont think like that, your an integral part of the upkeep of Arbor Falls, without most of your posts/findings I would be floudering in the dark ..since because of my extensive time building vs. playing I just am not In Game enough to see these issues happen the way you have been.

so keep it up!

one more request if possible, do you have any toons that you could do any/or all quests BUT

Valley of Caves
Bump in the Night
Giant of a Task

and see if you get disappearing journals again.
if not no biggie, I was just hoping to narrow down *when* this happens.

most assuredly I do... I can use one of my younger toons..

After our session tonight and the journal deletion suggestion.. don't wipe Morgaine's.. I'll test with her... you can wipe all others for the test...

Hello; I lost all of my quests last nite. Unfortunately, I don't know whether it was before or after I joined my usual party. The game remembered very well that I had been trapped in a rock (area beyond Valley of Caves), and forgot to check my journal.
By the way, when I realized that I could click on myself inside the rock with my runestone to turn off the remember last when exiting. I cast a town portal inside the rock and tp'd to AF; then tp'd to my party leader from the Temple. I noticed my Journal was completely blank while in AF. Hopes this helps a little.
ken

and... I just logged in with Elros.

In checking my journal entries, I haven't lost any , however I have a blank journal entry in my to do list...

It says:

" ERROR, blank journal entry: TAG "

*DING *DING *DING*
heavens be praised, I think I may have found the culprit..thanks to that last post by SHJ.

so a journal called TAG..hmmm. that got me thinking, the ONLY way that could happen is something that wasnt firing right within my Quest Management System.
which is waht I use for alot of my quests...
anyways, searched the scripting and all its logic and BAM!! right there in front of me was this:

If (GetJournalStatus(oPC) >= 0)
{
string sTag = GetLocalString(OBJECT_SELF,"Quest");
int iValue = GetLocalInt(OBJECT_SELF,QuestValue");
SetPersistantJournal(oPC,sTAG,iValue,TRUE,FALSE,FALSE);
}

see the HUGE problem? well if not let me point it out...you see it will ALWAYS return true!! because we said >(Greater than) or = (equal to) 0!! so yeah, if its a trigger that ISNT supposed to update your journal its STILL going to if you trigger it..and worse, its going to pull a QUEST that DOES NOT exist...what happens then?
well when the server does a WRITE to database..it will halt/error out when it cannot actually place a value it doesnt know.

where are these triggers? well most of them are littered in Valley of Caves quests, but a few are scattered about in random places like the Wilds...
so it HAS to be this...thats why it happens often but Rarely, because of the very slim chance you will enter the trigger, also in my scripts I had all other versions fixed for PARTYplay but the error above was for a SINGLE player, thus again its why it seems to only affect players outside of a party at the time.

hopefully this was it, I just updated with this fix and I would again like to keep this thread alive to see IF it happens again.

ONE last thing...a bummer really, I had to revert the database to last weeks...I am really really sorrry but it had to be done (a mistake I made earlier kinda blew up alot of the data within- this mistake has since been fixed) but I had to use the database before it was affected.
thus
Journals will be reverted back to last FRIDAYs
Housing (if you bought any within this last week) will have to be re-purchased
Quests (will revert to what you had previous to this week)
Persistant Locations (will revrt to what you had/location of last week)

that should about cover it, I can manually adjust anything that you would like fixed,just post here. but thsi should be it hopefully, the end of a very long and difficult to track journal BUG!!